00:08: Okay. How would homeschooling change when you go in full-time ministry? First of all, we remove the word “homeschooling,” and we would say, “How would our lives change when we go into full-time ministry?” A very good question. And so if a shipment of books arrived that was before… We’ve started printing and publishing enormous amounts of the Oikos resources; we’ve got printing rights for them so we can keep them coming without having problems of imports and customs and ships and pirates and hurricanes, and all those things that happen. [chuckle] They were becoming a bit of a problem, the pirates and the hurricanes and that. [chuckle] And so we got printing rights. It took about five years to get some, but now we’re printing the books for you. Isn’t that wonderful? So we’re running a publishing house. We didn’t plan for that to happen, but that’s what’s happened. And so there’s a lot of learning that happens there, isn’t there? If your children are being raised in the growing and establishing and developing of a publishing house, there’s a lot they’re learning. And so learning happens naturally in our home. It has always been like that from the beginning, but now you’ve got the children’s learning their formal… That must happen ’cause it must ’cause we must be responsible parents and God wants us to teach them literacy so that they can read His word, and He wants us to teach them numeracy so they can be good stewards of what He entrusts to them.

01:30: So yes, we must teach them these things. And yes, when they’re exiting home-educating years, they must be numerate and literate. That would be good. What knowledge you give them is not really relevant. If you’re giving them knowledge of things of the world, it’s going to pass away and you’re gonna spend a lot of time pumping knowledge and maybe lots of tears that go with it and frustrations and everything else. To what end? This is the knowledge you have to give them; knowledge of Him because it will never… It is with us today, yesterday, and forevermore, and it’s the same; the same yesterday, today and forevermore. However, when all of you were in school, nobody told you how to download an app, teach you about apps, did they? Did you know about online banking? Did you know that I can do an EFT on my app? [laughter] Did you know what an EFT was? Right, now just think about that for a minute, what you are busy teaching your children today, is it gonna be relevant when they’re an adult? So why are you doing it? Why are you taking a book and putting a whole lot of knowledge in that is… Even Science, even science… Speak to Doctor Jay Wile, he said, “What I thought I knew five years ago, is different now.”

02:49: Because he is discovering the Creator who is greater and mightier and whose mysteries are past our finding out. So the best thing to do is just get to know Him as best as you can. And, thereafter, you are equipped. If you’ve equipped your children with that, you’ve equipped them with what they need for life because you don’t know when they’re 30, what they’re gonna be needing. What I suggest you focus on is teaching them numeracy, literacy, focusing on their characters, getting their characters ready and relationship-ing and knowing God. Do you want your children to be able to pray when they have a decision to make? Do you want them to be able to know what God is saying to them so that they don’t get caught up in the fear and make mistakes? That’s what you want more than anything. That’s what our focus is in Oikos. So this question on “How does full-time ministry happen?” It just happens while we’re living and we bring the numeracy and literacy there in place. We bring that in because of the fact that we wanna be responsible and good stewards of what He’s entrusted to us, our little children to raise them for Him. That’s what He’s entrusted to us. And so now, we do some numeracy in the day.

04:05: We do not do maths for two hours. Well, that’s not what we do. We do the minimum, 10 minutes maybe. [chuckle] So you do 10 minutes of math, 10 minutes of language, done, half-an-hour finished. We’ve done our formal for the day. Thanks, finished, done. Now, let me tell you something, this is how we lived, what I’ve just explained. However, we’ve got adult children that are highly-skilled and they’re not academically deprived, but I’ve never taught them a thing about media and about making videos and putting them on the online thing, and about making them this mega-pixel thing. [laughter] And what else do we need? The size of the file is very important. [laughter] Okay, I know nothing about how to teach ’em that. So what happened? He went online, and he filled in what he needed to do; sound engineering or whatever it was that he was needing to do to equip himself better, and the most important thing that he needed was his father’s credit card number. [laughter]

05:33: They didn’t ask his age. I mean, he could have been doing it when he was 14 if he wanted to, which he actually was because he was interested when he was 14 and 15 with all these media stuff. So it was quite hard to get him to do practical things when he was computer-techno-focused. We had to work on the balance. I didn’t have to work on the motivation, or the passion, or the interest in wanting to do the 3D course, or the video course, whatever. That was just there naturally. He was keen to do that. So he went… We did a course online to do that. And then when we had finished the coloring course, we did the sound engineering course, and when that was finished… And that’s how he is now, a media man. But he did have to have some math and language. He did need to know how to read to be able to fill out the form. So, yes, I did do language lessons with him and I did go through the LLATL series from Blue Book through to the end. And no, he wasn’t so keen on sitting doing Gray Book and sentence diagramming; didn’t see the point, “What was the need of that?” And so if I just told him it’s ’cause he has to write the exam and he’s got to pass and he’s got to get a good grade, it’s a little bit of an empty reason.

06:53: But if I say to him, he needs to be able to understand the word of God, and he needs to be able to write a good letter, and he needs to be able communicate well, and he needs to have good vocabulary so that he can present himself well, so that he can used by God effectively; those are the reasons we’re doing this Gray Book. Not so that we can finish the Gray Book by the end of the year so that we can go on holiday so that we can do the next book so that you can finish this LLATL. So that when it’s finished, you can get your certificate, so that you can go to university. I’m not the one to decide what course he’s going on regarding, “He’s now going to university to do the following and I must prepare him for that.” What if God’s sending him to China on a mission? How am I preparing him for that? If my whole focus is making sure he gets his schooling certificate so he can go to university? What if God’s plan is something completely different to that? Then what? I haven’t prepared him. I haven’t done what I was called to do.

07:57: So what I’m saying is full-time ministry happens… Oh, some nice colorful ones. Full-time ministry happens while you’re learning and you fit in the language and maths because you need to be responsible. And you fit it in as little as possible, seriously. Because we had chronic illness in our family all the way through the years, and so we had a 10-year-old that was still busy doing Blue Book, learning to read, and today that person is 28 and very, very equipped for life. So what I’m saying to you is did it matter that we were doing blue book at age 10? What matters is she’s a dedicated wife, she loves the Lord with all her heart, she wants to serve Him with everything she does. She wants to be what God needs her to be in her every day.

08:51: She is very aware when her flesh lets her down. She’s very in touch with the fact that, “Oops! I was impatient.” How did that happen? Those things? Those things happened because attention was put on those things, rather than worrying about the fact that she was doing Blue Book when she was 10. But I didn’t chuck Blue Book out. We did do Blue Book five times. We did do it and do it and do it and do it, until eventually, she was 15, she was doing Purple Book when she was 15, and all of the sudden, she’s just gobbling up these books. A book in three months of LLATL because now, that’s when she was ready. The health crisis was a little bit more under control, and now she was a young adult and she wants to study, she doesn’t want to play and bake and play toys and… Children at 16, 17, 18 don’t want to play, they want to study. And so then they do. So what did you do up until then with them? That’s the thing.